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Dawn 🕯

So this was working with hypnosis to try and induce amnesia with an already existing tulpa?

@anise - jump Yeah, hypnosis and dissociation training type stuff. We were already a system for quite a few months before messing with it and only got partial success although it was really interesting.

Wow. This is crazy. Tbh I kinda want to see if this is possible myself but that seems like a bad motivation for trying to create a tulpa

Invest in a portable charger! : )

There's plenty of reasons to make a tulpa if you want but that's entirely a personal decision, we'd be happy to help if you ever decide to in the future though

portable charger? how would that work? does it get energy from the sun?

I think they mean a battery charger, anyways on 1% so gonna check out, was nice talking

was super fun :)

Dawn 🕯

There's plenty of reasons to make a tulpa if you want but that's entirely a personal decision, we'd be happy to help if you ever decide to in the future though

I've actually thought about it for a while but held off because I wanted to learn more

o^(27) h that's a funny name for a power bank

I've actually thought about it for a while but held off because I wanted to learn more

@anise - jump Charged the phone, if you ever have any questions feel free to message us, our actual account is @Candlelight Society 🕯

Dawn 🕯

I've actually thought about it for a while but held off because I wanted to learn more

@anise - jump Charged the phone, if you ever have any questions feel free to message us, our actual account is @Candlelight Society 🕯

Awww thanks! I actually did message you, not sure if it got through though?

Dawn 🕯

I think they mean a battery charger, anyways on 1% so gonna check out, was nice talking

Yea a portable battery. People call it different things I guess.

Hi! :) After asking yesterday, I thought a bit more about tulpas and hypnosis - I was super curious if anyone knows what the relationship is between the two? It seems that there have been quite a few tulpa creation files and ways of doing it with hypnosis, but is there any real difference? I know this is all subjective but I'm just super curious what people think

I already mentioned yesterday that I think the relationship between tulpa and hypnosis comes primarily from relationship between dissociation and hypnosis. And I think that if you happen to use hypnosis files as a helper in creating a tulpa, your might experience more dissociation than average tulpamancer and hearing automatic responses or achieving possession/switching might come easier thanks to that. On the other hand, helpers like these could make your experience dependent on using them.

Interesting!

9:05 PM

I guess there's not a specific relationship between dissociation and tulpas?

9:05 PM

It does make sense that hypnosis would lead to more dissociation in that it is an inherently dissociative process

anise

I guess there's not a specific relationship between dissociation and tulpas?

Most people expect having dissociative experiences with tulpas. Usually they at least want tulpa's responses to be automatic, like coming from tulpa and not them.

Right, but that's not necessary?

9:17 PM

Wouldn't that just feel like you are puppeting the tulpa

I don't think there is a "correct" way to what tulpamancy experience is, it's whatever you want from it

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Oh sure, I guess I just am curious what it would feel like otherwise

9:19 PM

I agree that I would want the sense of separation, if that's what that means

9:19 PM

Not sure I fully understand it though

can you feel presence of your tulpa as separate from yours?

Wouldn't that just feel like you are puppeting the tulpa

@anise - jump From our point of view, ownership of thoughts is meaningless and it's our decision in the end anyway.

Leiko

can you feel presence of your tulpa as separate from yours?

I don't have a tulpa, yet anyway

Alexia

Wouldn't that just feel like you are puppeting the tulpa

@anise - jump From our point of view, ownership of thoughts is meaningless and it's our decision in the end anyway.

I guess it does seem impossibly complicated to untangle

hmm what does?

9:36 PM

i can try to explain it in simple terms but knowing what seems complicated for you will help

I think not having a tulpa makes the idea of 'ownership of thougts' seem very alien

9:45 PM

I'm not really sure how to think about this because I don't have the experience myself

i think might have

9:45 PM

there is an experience all of us have that can show you how it feels on a smaller scale

9:46 PM

usually when i try to explain to someone what being plural is i bring up the experience of ... you know how sometimes you talk to someone and after some time a better response comes to your mind and you play the conversation in your head ?

9:47 PM

when that happens you don't "parrot/puppet" what the other person would say it just happens naturally and you don't feel you own it

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ahhh interesting

9:48 PM

I guess that would be an aim

i came up with a practice that could give you a more feel for that but i wonder at what stage of creating the tulpa you are

oh

9:49 PM

very very very beginning

9:50 PM

like, I do not have a tulpa rn

9:50 PM

i actually joined this server for someone else

would you like to experience what it feels like to not have ownership of something?

I mean, with a hypothetical tulpa, sure!

it's without a tulpa!

Ok!

i wrote down the method here https://discord.com/channels/431579755037589505/431895537978048535/796424910867791872

ooh!

9:54 PM

I have heard of this before in hypnosis circles

9:54 PM

actually maybe I have had experiences of lack of ownership with hypnosis

9:54 PM

if that's what it's like

can you tell me about that experience?

I mean, stuff like dissociating your experience of your body moving from your own agency

9:59 PM

tons of things

when it comes to tulpamancy i think easier way of looking at it rather than thinking about dissociation is to consider how integration works

10:01 PM

if you do something and you consider it yours you own it and it gets integrated to your experience and in memory it stays as yours

10:01 PM

when you practice tulpamancy you are learning to disrupt the process

10:01 PM

and let tulpa do it for themselves

Woah

10:02 PM

That's really confusing to wrap my head around, I won't lie

10:02 PM

So learning to disown experiences as yours?

10:02 PM

Kinda?

well yes kind of but i think it's better to think of not disowning it but letting your tulpa own it

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10:04 PM

if you never owned something there is nothing to disown right?

Sure, I get that

10:04 PM

That's an interesting perspective

10:05 PM

This is all so fascinating

10:05 PM

If hypnosis is already weird to think about this is on another level

10:05 PM

It's awesome

hmmm it might sound weird but in my opinion it's not something to think about because none of this is a thinking process

10:07 PM

it might sound even more confusing because i think it's more of "being" rather than "thinking" process...

Ahhh

10:09 PM

So the experience is not something you consciously construct, is what you mean?

10:10 PM

I guess that's the sense of your tulpa being a seperate entity

yes, i actually think if you try to construct it it just disrupts the process

10:10 PM

unfortunately most of the guides focus on intellectualising it rather than getting the feel of it

10:11 PM

but consider this... i don't know if you are an empathetic person

10:11 PM

but if you are and you see someone feeling an emotion, you don't need to think about what they are feeling and why

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That's interesting, because that's exactly how I feel about hypnosis - overthinking it stops it from working

you just feel it

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10:12 PM

yeah i would agree

Leiko

but if you are and you see someone feeling an emotion, you don't need to think about what they are feeling and why

Right!

tulpamancy is not a science it's a practice so i think any attempt of intellectualising it doesn't change much for you especially that if you saw people trying to explain tulpamancy none of them agree and their views even change over the years

Mhm

anise

So much so.... I spent such a long time trying to get to the bottom of what exactly hypnosis is, but it's so poorly understood I just, you know... do the thing and trance people now haha

Probably for the best not to repeat this cycle lmao

there is nothing wrong with having a framework but you don't really need it and you might end up spending a lot of time feeling right about a thing that doesn't even matter if it's true or not

10:15 PM

Probably for the best not to repeat this cycle lmao

@anise - jump haha yes

10:15 PM

the problem is that once you stick to one explanation you become biased and you rationalise why your framework is right

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Which doesn't really make sense when this is all barely understoof

i don't know what we would gain from understanding it

10:17 PM

the only thing i'm sure about tulpamancy is that your expectation form your experience and i think that's all necessary to know

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I guess I see your point, but I have such a strong bias towards wanting to understand things it's hard not to

Leiko

the only thing i'm sure about tulpamancy is that your expectation form your experience and i think that's all necessary to know

I swear this and hypnosis are so similar

10:17 PM

wow

the only thing i'm sure about tulpamancy is that your expectation form your experience and i think that's all necessary to know

@Leiko (@KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk) - jump Understanding thigs doesn't hurt though. And I think tulpamancy is relatively simple but amount of misinformation around it is what makes it look more complicated that it really is.

Also, to be fair

10:19 PM

Because this is something that from the outside seems pretty wild, I want to feel safe beforehand, you know?

and what's that?

Alexia

the only thing i'm sure about tulpamancy is that your expectation form your experience and i think that's all necessary to know

@Leiko (@KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk) - jump Understanding thigs doesn't hurt though. And I think tulpamancy is relatively simple but amount of misinformation around it is what makes it look more complicated that it really is.

I dont think you can approach a real tangible and testable understanding just by practicing it... You could find some metaphores that get to explain up to some point, but its just poor modeling, and this could indeed hurt if your metaphores limit the posibilities of the experience.

@Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し) - jump I know, reaching understanding in a round-about way can last years.